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murdoch is not available, the best way to mr. murdoch -- i think he's suggesting is there mr. steltzer. does that overstate it or not? >> i think it probably does. i think from where we were in the uk, steltzer is a very clever, very close to rupert murdoch. but so were quite a few other people that we dealt with on almost a daily basis. people editing newspapers here. all sorts of people. >> one would certainly have to add to the list other individuals, is that correct? >> yeah. >> tony struck up a friendship with irwin that lasted throughout his time in government, and he helped tony win over murdoch. is that true or not? >> it may be. it may be, i think it's true that irwin steltzer became someone that liked tony blair, liked what new labor was doing, and probably was part of the discussions that were going on within that particular newspaper group. but i think we were always conscious that in terms any of decision that there would been who they would back in the 1997 election, that would be -- that was a decision that would ultimately be made by one man. >> mr. powell talk
murdoch is not available, the best way to mr. murdoch -- i think he's suggesting is there mr. steltzer. does that overstate it or not? >> i think it probably does. i think from where we were in the uk, steltzer is a very clever, very close to rupert murdoch. but so were quite a few other people that we dealt with on almost a daily basis. people editing newspapers here. all sorts of people. >> one would certainly have to add to the list other individuals, is that correct? >>...
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murdoch, mr. blair, or mr. blair's government? >> i don't think there ever was such a deal. >> could we be clear, mr. campbell, on what that answer's based? i'm not asking you to comment. i'm just skug from your own knowledge if you knew of such a deal you would tell us because i've asked you to tell us. do you have any evidence of such a deal? >> no. absolutely not. >> in terms of the possibility of implied trade-offs or unspoken supplications, paragraph 49, you refer there to -- i think we probably asked you to look at the big bad bastard comment, which is mr. paul keating, who was then of course the labor prime minister in australia, wasn't he? >> yeah. >> you cover this in your diaries, volume 1, pages 247 and followi following. you set out part of the citation. page 247. on the 16th of july, 199 5. >> mm-hmm. >> on murdoch he told tb he's a big bad bastard and the only way you can deal with him is to make sure he thinks you can be a big bad bastard too. >> mm-hmm. >> you can only -- you can do deals with him without ever sayi
murdoch, mr. blair, or mr. blair's government? >> i don't think there ever was such a deal. >> could we be clear, mr. campbell, on what that answer's based? i'm not asking you to comment. i'm just skug from your own knowledge if you knew of such a deal you would tell us because i've asked you to tell us. do you have any evidence of such a deal? >> no. absolutely not. >> in terms of the possibility of implied trade-offs or unspoken supplications, paragraph 49, you refer...
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for the murdoch papers, since mr. murdoch purchased those papers, "the daily times" has always supported conservatives and did so in 19 7. the other bit what i perceive of mr. murdoch's approach particularly with "the sun" and "the news of the world" was that he reckoned that his political influence would be greater if as it were his support was available in return for what he thought he could get out of it. and i don't mean some deal. i see no evidence of a deal. but he thought there was something in it. now they might -- the benign view of this is that the people at news international took a very -- people at news international, like other newspaper executives, were very concerned about where there readers were and that they supported between 1992 and 1997 their readers were going to support labor so they followed them. it's a more complicated set of relationships than this. i think that -- the perception i found was mr. murdoch was enjoying the fact that he's been willing to play with political leaders in a way tha
for the murdoch papers, since mr. murdoch purchased those papers, "the daily times" has always supported conservatives and did so in 19 7. the other bit what i perceive of mr. murdoch's approach particularly with "the sun" and "the news of the world" was that he reckoned that his political influence would be greater if as it were his support was available in return for what he thought he could get out of it. and i don't mean some deal. i see no evidence of a deal....
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murdoch and mr. blair? >> i don't think so, no. it was a very difficult part of my job, the fact that the press was writing about those relationship difficulties all the time, and i had to be out for the government, trying to explain what we were doing, the important things and so forth. so no, i don't think she did. i knew she spoke to gordon and the people who worked for him, and perhaps they said some things to her that they wouldn't have said to us. >> was she increasingly seen as having influence over mr. murdoch? >> i think my sense was the most influential person was rupert murdoch. so was she an important person within the organization? yes. >> were other ministers afraid of her? >> if they were, they shouldn't have been. >> yes, but do you think they were? >> i didn't think so. i didn't think so. there were various -- one of the reasons why, even though it's fair to say i think i'm somewhat p and g at news international now, rebecca was always very, very straightforward to deal with. and there were a number of stories that
murdoch and mr. blair? >> i don't think so, no. it was a very difficult part of my job, the fact that the press was writing about those relationship difficulties all the time, and i had to be out for the government, trying to explain what we were doing, the important things and so forth. so no, i don't think she did. i knew she spoke to gordon and the people who worked for him, and perhaps they said some things to her that they wouldn't have said to us. >> was she increasingly seen...
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in paragraph 35, you refer to the power of mr. murdoch's papers. one might note that you prefer to use that word rather than mr. campbell's influence. >> well, from the point of view of the -- on the receiving end it felt like power. it may be helpful to provide a bit of explanation as to why people who were on the front bench in the labor party in the 1990s -- in particular you've been through the experience of the '92 election believe that we have to get the papers on side. if i may, i'll dug out of my files one example of this which was the main story in the sun newspaper on the first of april just eight days -- eight days before the 1992 election. and the main story was this i'll put this in as evidence, i'm all right jack. i was saying education minister lectures us on the scandal of private education for the luxury of his 200,000 pound cottage, his town house and 400,000 pound flat. and i was branded a hypocrite for preaching from the luxury of three homes. it's true. my wife and i between us own three houses, and that was perfectly public. w
in paragraph 35, you refer to the power of mr. murdoch's papers. one might note that you prefer to use that word rather than mr. campbell's influence. >> well, from the point of view of the -- on the receiving end it felt like power. it may be helpful to provide a bit of explanation as to why people who were on the front bench in the labor party in the 1990s -- in particular you've been through the experience of the '92 election believe that we have to get the papers on side. if i may,...
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i think we saw this with mr. murdoch himself. the actual piece which mr. blair wrote shortly before the 1997 election. was in march 1997. it was made clear to me by the editor that if mr. blair were to emphasize the point that there would be no entry into the euro without a specific referendum on the, that he understood people's fears about so-called european superstate. it was likely to be the final piece of the jigsaw before mr. murdoch agreed the paper would back labor. you describe that as purely a question of rhetoric. but wasn't that specifically a matter of policy or at least something which mr. blair did which he would not otherwise have perhaps wanted to do? >> no. in terms of -- the policy was already set. the policy was set. and we did have a discussion. i remember we did have a discussion about whether it was sensible to do this piece at that time. and as i say, i go on to say that it was fantastically irritating on one level. we have to go through these kind of routines. we'd be daft not to try it. i don't think we did change policy. i will ad
i think we saw this with mr. murdoch himself. the actual piece which mr. blair wrote shortly before the 1997 election. was in march 1997. it was made clear to me by the editor that if mr. blair were to emphasize the point that there would be no entry into the euro without a specific referendum on the, that he understood people's fears about so-called european superstate. it was likely to be the final piece of the jigsaw before mr. murdoch agreed the paper would back labor. you describe that as...
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. >> -- was covered on mr. murdoch, and it was clear that mr. prody made the call at the end of the day. can i just ask you about onery ent -- one entry in your diary, page 2, number 238. >> yeah. >> you didn't fear him coming to him about me, but the relationship with murdoch, the political knives were out for you at that time as well, weren't they? >> they were. >> i'm not sure this inquiry need go into that. i'm more concerned with the underlying point. and then you say, and he -- that's mr. blair -- didn't fancy a sustained set of questions about whether murdoch lobbied him. >> yeah. >> so that's the power phrase of the conversation you had with mr. blair, is it? >> yeah. >> why did he fancy such a sustained set of questions? >> because the -- i think i've quoted in my statement, the -- what i said at the briefing on this, that the -- i said in a number 10 briefing, the conversation covered a range of issues. it had been agreed that neither side would brief on it. this had been honored. the ft should not use an official that was wrong. if as
. >> -- was covered on mr. murdoch, and it was clear that mr. prody made the call at the end of the day. can i just ask you about onery ent -- one entry in your diary, page 2, number 238. >> yeah. >> you didn't fear him coming to him about me, but the relationship with murdoch, the political knives were out for you at that time as well, weren't they? >> they were. >> i'm not sure this inquiry need go into that. i'm more concerned with the underlying point. and then...
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and mr. murdoch in favor of what we were doing. i think it's also fairs to the prime minister, he would have appreciated that support at that time. because it was probably the most difficult decision he had ever had to make. it was -- it was the most difficult period of the time that i was with him, bar none. but as i say in my statement, in terms of -- i wouldn't want to put too much significance, given all else he was dealing with at that time, when he was speaking to presidents and prime ministers around the world the whole time, i wouldn't overstate the significance of a couple of phone calls with rupert murdoch. in terms of what i think is going on here -- as i say, i'm relying on what i've written in my diary. what i think is going on is rupert murdoch has placed the call and tony blair has taken that call and rupert murdoch is just wanting to have a chat about what's going on. i go back to the point i made earlier, one of the things i think makes murdoch different to some of the other media and some of what you saw last week
and mr. murdoch in favor of what we were doing. i think it's also fairs to the prime minister, he would have appreciated that support at that time. because it was probably the most difficult decision he had ever had to make. it was -- it was the most difficult period of the time that i was with him, bar none. but as i say in my statement, in terms of -- i wouldn't want to put too much significance, given all else he was dealing with at that time, when he was speaking to presidents and prime...
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he didn't have to speak to mr. murdoch. he could pick up a copy of the times. >> i can see why you say that. it's important to remember -- you see, we're looking to this now and people may think it's odd that i don't remember something that i've written about but i just don't. and for me as well there was so much else going on at that time. but i -- it doesn't strike me as that odd, not the least because by then i think it's fair to say tony blair had very few strong supporters in the media left and whether one of these calls came from him, i have no idea. whether one of them was actually about placing a call, i don't know. >> well, there's a limit to how far we can go with it and i recognize that. but i read into what you're saying to me that i should not read too much into the fact that there were these calls, notwithstanding the pressure upon the prime minister's time and all the other problems he was facing. >> yes, because even at times like this, he would have spoken to all sorts of people. and i think it's -- no, i w
he didn't have to speak to mr. murdoch. he could pick up a copy of the times. >> i can see why you say that. it's important to remember -- you see, we're looking to this now and people may think it's odd that i don't remember something that i've written about but i just don't. and for me as well there was so much else going on at that time. but i -- it doesn't strike me as that odd, not the least because by then i think it's fair to say tony blair had very few strong supporters in the...
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still is, i think. >> when mr. murdoch was not around and someone was talking to mr. stilt, is there a sense you were talking to mr. murdoch in some way? >> no, i wouldn't say that. i wouldn't say that. he wasn't, as it were, a spokesman. so no, i wouldn't know that. >> tell us about mrs. brooks. obviously we've seen recently -- you say in your statement that you attended i think both her weddings -- >> no, it's only the reception of the first, the wedding of the second. and just on the first one, i was, as it were, independently friendly with the husband. >> would you describe it as a friendship or a relationship born out of circumstances? >> i think it's difficult, once you're at a certain level in politics -- in fact, again, in one of these books, tony blair and i have a discussion about this -- i think it's difficult to develop friendships with people from any walk of life, where they might feel they can get something from you. i think we were friendly, very friendly, and i liked rebekah. but i think friendship overstates it. most of the friends i have are journal
still is, i think. >> when mr. murdoch was not around and someone was talking to mr. stilt, is there a sense you were talking to mr. murdoch in some way? >> no, i wouldn't say that. i wouldn't say that. he wasn't, as it were, a spokesman. so no, i wouldn't know that. >> tell us about mrs. brooks. obviously we've seen recently -- you say in your statement that you attended i think both her weddings -- >> no, it's only the reception of the first, the wedding of the second....
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murdoch until after that. >> was it his decision? >> i think it was mr. hinton's strong recommendation, and like i said, i didn't speak to mr. murdoch until i'd actually taken the job. >> there was some discussion at the seminar we had in october in relation to the departure. are you able to enlighten us? >> no, sorry, i was at "the sun" at the time. >> the editorial line you took in particular to in relation of "the sun" reflect mr. murdoch's thinking? >> as i say in my witness statement, it really is important to differentiate between mr. murdoch's thinking, my thinking, the political team's thinking, and the thinking of the readers. i know i spent a lot of time on it in my witness statement, but to get across the point that the views were always reflected in any policy or politician or political party. i know mr. murdoch, when he he gade evidence, he said if they want to know what i think, read "the sun" editorials, but i don't think he was being total literal about that. >> if you want to judge my thinking, look at "the sun," those were the exact word
murdoch until after that. >> was it his decision? >> i think it was mr. hinton's strong recommendation, and like i said, i didn't speak to mr. murdoch until i'd actually taken the job. >> there was some discussion at the seminar we had in october in relation to the departure. are you able to enlighten us? >> no, sorry, i was at "the sun" at the time. >> the editorial line you took in particular to in relation of "the sun" reflect mr. murdoch's...
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mr. murdoch, thank you for being with us. if we could, let's start with what we were talking with our audience about a little earlier this morning. and that was president obama's statement endorsing gay marriage yesterday. want to get your reaction to that. >> well, i was surprised that he made the statement, this being a political year, especially a presidential election year. because as i've traveled the state of indiana in the last 15 months i've not heard the issue come up i don't think more than twice. and clearly, in a state like indiana that is very conservative, that the president won in 2008, it will certainly work to his disadvantage here, and i see that happening in the other critical so-called swing states. states with large independent voters, i think that's going to be more of a negative than a plus for the president. >> what about your personal view? if this comes before the -- if you make it to the senate and it comes before the senate, what would your personal view be? >> well, i am one who believes that marr
mr. murdoch, thank you for being with us. if we could, let's start with what we were talking with our audience about a little earlier this morning. and that was president obama's statement endorsing gay marriage yesterday. want to get your reaction to that. >> well, i was surprised that he made the statement, this being a political year, especially a presidential election year. because as i've traveled the state of indiana in the last 15 months i've not heard the issue come up i don't...
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james murdoch told mr. cameron that the "sun" would support the conservative party in the next election and the headline was on the front page. i think it was on the 30th of september of 2009. when did you first know that shift would take place? >> to the conservative party? >> yes, i can give you the day when james murdoch told mr. cameron back in september 2009. when did you first know that shift would take place? >> if we put aside the timing of it, i think probably in june of 2009 and rupert murdoch and james murdoch started to have discussions because i think by that stage, and that was part of the reneging on the referendum. it was post a campaign election and it was, i think one of my last from pages that i edited of the "sun" was don't you know there is a bloody war on and the point of this was there didn't seem to be one politician including a prime minister who is willing to address the issues the issues we were facing out there. so i think that was. >> the question with a simple one. it gave me t
james murdoch told mr. cameron that the "sun" would support the conservative party in the next election and the headline was on the front page. i think it was on the 30th of september of 2009. when did you first know that shift would take place? >> to the conservative party? >> yes, i can give you the day when james murdoch told mr. cameron back in september 2009. when did you first know that shift would take place? >> if we put aside the timing of it, i think...
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>> no. >> mr. murdoch. we know he told the house of lords communications committee back in 2007 when he was spoken to in new york that he was a traditional proprietor who exercise editorial control on major issues. you agree with that or not? >> yes. >> doesn't apply as much to the "news of the world" as th"the sun.:" >> i think mr. murdoch is probably more interested in "the sun" and terms of political issues but it also apply "news of the world." >> your evidence -- question 146, i think it would be said that before any appointment, he knew me pretty well. you stand by that? >> before my appointment to the sun." of "the >> he would be aware of my views, social, political and cultural. do you stand by that? then you said take europe, for example. i think he was aware of my views. >> yes. >> without delving into this with great detail, your views on europe -- you were skeptic? and politically your position is very similar to mr. murdoch's? >> in some areas. >> in which areas to they differ? next we disagree
>> no. >> mr. murdoch. we know he told the house of lords communications committee back in 2007 when he was spoken to in new york that he was a traditional proprietor who exercise editorial control on major issues. you agree with that or not? >> yes. >> doesn't apply as much to the "news of the world" as th"the sun.:" >> i think mr. murdoch is probably more interested in "the sun" and terms of political issues but it also apply...
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was that mr. murdoch's idea? >> i discussed that appointment with james andrew murdoch. >> but was it rupert murdoch's idea? >> i think it was more james murdoch's idea in the beginning, but both of them, both of their ideas. >> why was that job of to you? >> i think, um, i'd been editing "the sun" for seven years by then, and i was interested in, very interested like most journalists are, in looking at the future economic models of journalism and, basically, how you continue to, um, financially keep, you know, high quality journalism going. and i think the digital age and the ipad and the payrolls, they're all of interest to me and something that i was looking forward to doing. >> okay. now, mr. marin was your replacement as editor, i think he was your strong recommendation, is that right? >> he was, yes. >> why? >> he'd been my deputy for a few years, so i'd seen the paper that he'd edited in my absence and, also, i'd attended, um, a few more business management, um, programs in the last year of my editorship o
was that mr. murdoch's idea? >> i discussed that appointment with james andrew murdoch. >> but was it rupert murdoch's idea? >> i think it was more james murdoch's idea in the beginning, but both of them, both of their ideas. >> why was that job of to you? >> i think, um, i'd been editing "the sun" for seven years by then, and i was interested in, very interested like most journalists are, in looking at the future economic models of journalism and,...
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murdoch had some role in mr. gordon brown's decision not to call a snap election in october 2007, are unlikely to be true because the prime minister's decision was made before the former arrived in chequers that weekend. other aspects of the matter may be difficult to prove for this separate reason, the government may well have wanted to pursue policy x. or not to pursue policy why, for reasons associated with the wishes and objectives of media moguls. in relation to the last labour government policy on the euro, we know that the prime minister was more comfortable than was his chancellor of the exchequer, and that the latter set conditions which were unlikely ever to be fulfilled. he would say in the public interest. mr. murdoch's wishes may well have been wholly coincidentally that said, these -- the inquiry will need to address within the constraints of its terms of reference and the timescales imposed on it by the prime minister. the very least you may conclude as many have now accepted that not many governme
murdoch had some role in mr. gordon brown's decision not to call a snap election in october 2007, are unlikely to be true because the prime minister's decision was made before the former arrived in chequers that weekend. other aspects of the matter may be difficult to prove for this separate reason, the government may well have wanted to pursue policy x. or not to pursue policy why, for reasons associated with the wishes and objectives of media moguls. in relation to the last labour government...
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murdoch, mr. blair flew out to a conference i think around 1995, and i probably met him shortly after that. .. >> salado telephone contact is only on the landline, is it? >> yes. tony blair, a senior cabinet advisor were a constant in my life for many years. why do you think that was? >> i think they made sure it was and i wasn't unique in that. >> what you think they made sure it was? >> i think you have to look particularly at alastair campbell's appointment. he came from being added to the daily mirror and tony blair's advisers put a huge store on certain newspapers and i think that he made, should we say a shift change from the nature government into trying to get as much data to the process as possible. millions of books have been written about it. it wasn't a particularly insightful content. >> it is just the son reacting to its readers. it do you a breeder team to the readers. >> not at all. >> your narrative is coming from the politicians. >> i think the point as new labour, if you like th
murdoch, mr. blair flew out to a conference i think around 1995, and i probably met him shortly after that. .. >> salado telephone contact is only on the landline, is it? >> yes. tony blair, a senior cabinet advisor were a constant in my life for many years. why do you think that was? >> i think they made sure it was and i wasn't unique in that. >> what you think they made sure it was? >> i think you have to look particularly at alastair campbell's appointment. he...
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murdoch is not available, the best way to mr. murdoch -- i think he's suggesting is there mr. steltzer. does that overstate it or not? >> i think it probably does. i think from where we were in the uk, steltzer is a very clever, very close to rupert murdoch. but so were quite a few other people that we dealt with on almost a daily basis. people editing newspapers here. all sorts of people. >> one would certainly have to add to the list other individuals, is that correct? >> yeah. >> tony struck up a friendship with irwin that lasted throughout his time in government, and he helped tony win over murdoch. is that true or not? >> it may be. it may be, i think it's true that irwin steltzer became someone that liked tony blair, liked what new labor was doing, and probably was part of the discussions that were going on within that particular newspaper group. but i think we were always conscious that in terms any of decision that there would been who they would back in the 1997 election, that would be -- that was a decision that would ultimately be made by one man. >> mr. powell talk
murdoch is not available, the best way to mr. murdoch -- i think he's suggesting is there mr. steltzer. does that overstate it or not? >> i think it probably does. i think from where we were in the uk, steltzer is a very clever, very close to rupert murdoch. but so were quite a few other people that we dealt with on almost a daily basis. people editing newspapers here. all sorts of people. >> one would certainly have to add to the list other individuals, is that correct? >>...
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. >> the former editor, the legal affairs manager for mr. murdoch's british newspaper, and mr. murdoch's right-hand man. all the accused of misleading mps, by telling them that hacking was limited to one reporter. today, in york, where he is still an editor for another organization. they have all rejected the damning verdict. it was the disclosure last year that the news of the world passed the phone of a murdered teenager that turned hacking into a story of national importance. >> we used to not ever been seen criticized murdoch or the press. to see this bhutto reports, it has come -- to see this brutal report, it has come as a bit of a shop. i think rupert murdoch has a lot of questions to answer. he has a lot to answer for. i think he is being held to account. >> but will be the impact of the verdict that rupert murdoch is not fit to run a major international company? i have just heard four members said they voted against that a verdict. any suggestion that this is a political judgment and not a dispassionate one comment that could undermine the course. >> the issue in which
. >> the former editor, the legal affairs manager for mr. murdoch's british newspaper, and mr. murdoch's right-hand man. all the accused of misleading mps, by telling them that hacking was limited to one reporter. today, in york, where he is still an editor for another organization. they have all rejected the damning verdict. it was the disclosure last year that the news of the world passed the phone of a murdered teenager that turned hacking into a story of national importance. >>...
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murdoch as unjustified and hardly -- highly partisan. in an e-mail, mr. murdoch said, "i recognize that for all of us, and myself in particular, it is difficult to read many of the report's findings, but we have done the most difficult part, which is to take a long on this look at our mistakes." the big and expensive question for mr. murdoch is whether these mistakes will make it more likely that the media regulators will rule that b-sky-b is still unfit to hold a broadcaster's license. the news of the world scandal still making news, still shaking the sprawling media empire of james and rupert murdoch. >> although the select committee vote was partisan, remember the labor politicians have had just as close ties to rupert murdoch as conservative politicians. in other news around the world, the libyan government has officially challenged the international criminal courts right to challenge muammar gaddafi son for war crimes. an arrest warrant was issued for him on charges of murdering and persecuting civilians. in the latest date of his landmark visit to b
murdoch as unjustified and hardly -- highly partisan. in an e-mail, mr. murdoch said, "i recognize that for all of us, and myself in particular, it is difficult to read many of the report's findings, but we have done the most difficult part, which is to take a long on this look at our mistakes." the big and expensive question for mr. murdoch is whether these mistakes will make it more likely that the media regulators will rule that b-sky-b is still unfit to hold a broadcaster's...
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murdoch has used as the agent of the power, and right out front, and then not far behind the "news of the world" and then the "sunday times" which in a sense that shares a name with the "times" is a very, very different animal from the works in a different market. and i put those three together in one bracket. and they are sort of parties and vehicles and quite separately the times and i have to say in sort of an interest because i have written for them on and off for the last 30 years, but that, the times has a very different culture from these other papers, and in my lengthy experience, maintains high standards and i just say that, because i think it is quite important that they should not all be tarred with the same brush. >> it bears the weight of its history? >> yes. and it has -- and it is very interesting that they didn't end that building and end up in the other one, but a very different culture even though they are a floor apart, and it is what you might say what their readers expect. >> paragraph 50 of your statement. >> yes. >> now, if that is not an invitation, i don't kno
murdoch has used as the agent of the power, and right out front, and then not far behind the "news of the world" and then the "sunday times" which in a sense that shares a name with the "times" is a very, very different animal from the works in a different market. and i put those three together in one bracket. and they are sort of parties and vehicles and quite separately the times and i have to say in sort of an interest because i have written for them on and off...
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what mr. murdoch's papers do is up to him. what the labour party does is up to us. >> bergman: despite denials, it had all the hallmarks of a pilgrimage. and it paid off. next election, murdoch changed sides. >> tony always took the view, you're better to fight in elections with the media on your side than against you. and i can understand the argument, but you pay one hell of a price for it. >> bergman: like what? what's the price? >> well, he buys influence, doesn't he? i mean, how did he get us to change our media laws to give him cross-media control? that requires government to agree. >> bergman: the blair government relaxed their media laws to murdoch's advantage. >> i remember it very well because it was the very last stages of the communications bill, and it was in the house of lords and suddenly an amendment was put in. it had come straight from number ten. we had a vote in the house of lords. it went down, because i have to say the conservative, the official conservative position was also in favor of that, and they bo
what mr. murdoch's papers do is up to him. what the labour party does is up to us. >> bergman: despite denials, it had all the hallmarks of a pilgrimage. and it paid off. next election, murdoch changed sides. >> tony always took the view, you're better to fight in elections with the media on your side than against you. and i can understand the argument, but you pay one hell of a price for it. >> bergman: like what? what's the price? >> well, he buys influence, doesn't...
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murdoch is not available, the best way to mr. murdoch -- i think he's suggesting is there mr. steltzer. does that overstate it or not? >> i think it probably does. i think from where we were in the uk, steltzer is a very clever, very close to rupert murdoch. but so were quite a few other people that we dealt with on almost a daily basis. people editing newspapers here. all sorts of people. >> one would certainly have to add to the list other individuals, is that correct? >> yeah. >> tony struck up a friendship with irwin that lasted throughout his time in government, and he helped tony win over murdoch. is that true or not? >> it may be. it may be, i think it's true that irwin steltzer became someone that liked tony blair, liked what new labor was doing, and probably was part of the discussions that were going on within that particular newspaper group. but i think we were always conscious that in terms any of decision that there would been who they would back in the 1997 election, that would be -- that was a decision that would ultimately be made by one man. >> mr. powell talk
murdoch is not available, the best way to mr. murdoch -- i think he's suggesting is there mr. steltzer. does that overstate it or not? >> i think it probably does. i think from where we were in the uk, steltzer is a very clever, very close to rupert murdoch. but so were quite a few other people that we dealt with on almost a daily basis. people editing newspapers here. all sorts of people. >> one would certainly have to add to the list other individuals, is that correct? >>...
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>> well, between the support the murdoch papers were beginning to give mr. samman, in particular in scotland, and the "times" making mr. samman man of the year. >> i think the -- i do think rupert murdoch decided samman was someone he wanted to be supportive of for whatever reason. alex samman probably was one of the men of that year. i'm simply making an observation. i do think there's a bigger point in that paragraph. i think the prime minister david cameron and nick clel nd and miliband are getting disproportionately whacked at the moment because of their stance on the media. i think it's revenge for who set this inquiry up. i do believe that. and i don't think i'm alone in nap and i think the support for alex sammond is potentially related to that. >> paragraph 7 lessons to learn. 00812. this is a more general question. do you not think the government's constant attempts to repackage hold announcements, we're talking now of the labor governmen government, the government's constant attempts to repackage old announcements stories and news and put the best
>> well, between the support the murdoch papers were beginning to give mr. samman, in particular in scotland, and the "times" making mr. samman man of the year. >> i think the -- i do think rupert murdoch decided samman was someone he wanted to be supportive of for whatever reason. alex samman probably was one of the men of that year. i'm simply making an observation. i do think there's a bigger point in that paragraph. i think the prime minister david cameron and nick...
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mr. murdoch has a lot of questions to answer. he is being held to account. "why did committee reached this explosive for -- >> why did this committee reach this explosive verdict? >> in the view of the majority of the committee members, rupert murdoch is not fit to run an international company like b sky b. >> the issue on which most conservative members felt they could support the report itself was the line put in the middle of the report that said that mr. rupert murdoch is not a fit person to run an international company. >> the media is investigating whether british sky broadcasting is fit and proper to hold a broadcasting license. in theory, if mr. murdoch's deemed not to be fit and proper, that could push a decision for a piece that be to retain their license, news corp. must sell most of their shares. the "news of the world" scandal still making news. >> despite the partisan split, rupert murdoch enjoyed just as close relationships with labor prime ministers as he did with conservative prime minister's and britain. still to come, we will show you how
mr. murdoch has a lot of questions to answer. he is being held to account. "why did committee reached this explosive for -- >> why did this committee reach this explosive verdict? >> in the view of the majority of the committee members, rupert murdoch is not fit to run an international company like b sky b. >> the issue on which most conservative members felt they could support the report itself was the line put in the middle of the report that said that mr. rupert...
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>> i think, if my conversations with mr. james murdoch and mr. rupert murdoch about the bid were in essence probably discussing the latest move of the anti-sky alliance, sadr member havinto call mr. james murdoch wendy anti-sky alliance commissioned a poll to the pr agency they hired, i believe weber shandwick. and they discover that 80% of people didn want us to buy the rest of sky shares. so i would probably update because the anti-sky alliance of courses working in the uk territory. so there would be occasions when i would update rupert or james murdoch him and/or internal meetings that went on inside news international that occasionally i would attend, too. >> news corp, news international regarded it important to lobby government generally in relation to the bid, aren't we agreed? >> i don't think that was the strategy. i think, i think it was a response. >> regardless of what originated it, it's what happened in the income isn't? >> certainly from what wee seen from fred michel's e-mail, there was a lot of lobbying went on from our site, ye
>> i think, if my conversations with mr. james murdoch and mr. rupert murdoch about the bid were in essence probably discussing the latest move of the anti-sky alliance, sadr member havinto call mr. james murdoch wendy anti-sky alliance commissioned a poll to the pr agency they hired, i believe weber shandwick. and they discover that 80% of people didn want us to buy the rest of sky shares. so i would probably update because the anti-sky alliance of courses working in the uk territory. so...
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james murdoch called mr. cameron is the drink of the george that "the sun" was support the conservative party in the next election and the headline was on the front page. i think is on the 30th of september 2009. when did you first know but that shift would take place? >> to the conservative party? >> did you know the days when he told mr. cameron in late 2009. when did you first know that shift would take place? >> well, if we put aside the timing of that, i think publicly in the june 2009 and rupert murdoch and james murdoch would start to have discussions because i think by that stage -- that was posed to reneging on the referendum. as postcampaign for the election and i think one of my last front pages i edited out "the sun" was don't you know the bloody wars on and the point was there didn't seem to be one thing a politician including the prime minister who is willing to address the issues they're facing out there. >> the question was a simple one. when did you first know? any dvd and see. answer. it was
james murdoch called mr. cameron is the drink of the george that "the sun" was support the conservative party in the next election and the headline was on the front page. i think is on the 30th of september 2009. when did you first know but that shift would take place? >> to the conservative party? >> did you know the days when he told mr. cameron in late 2009. when did you first know that shift would take place? >> well, if we put aside the timing of that, i think...
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so mr. murdoch has been there or thereabouts for 40 years. >> mm-hmm. >> which is a very, very long time. you make the point that he is the most powerful media owner. and then you describe mr. taker as probably the most powerful newspaper editor. but doesn't that longevity give them rather more than influence? it's -- i agree it is not the power to change the law or the way in which this country is run but it is a very real form, a strong -- at the very strongest end of influence. would that be fair? >> yeah. i think as rupert murdoch goes it would be because of the point you make. i think if you sort of analyze power and influence year by year after the last four decades and he's been a big player throughout that time. but for example, i can remember being struck once in a discussion with george bush. george bush asked me what rupert murdoch was like because he'd never met him. which i found quite surprising. whether he's met him since, i don't know. i this i rupert murdoch went to the comm
so mr. murdoch has been there or thereabouts for 40 years. >> mm-hmm. >> which is a very, very long time. you make the point that he is the most powerful media owner. and then you describe mr. taker as probably the most powerful newspaper editor. but doesn't that longevity give them rather more than influence? it's -- i agree it is not the power to change the law or the way in which this country is run but it is a very real form, a strong -- at the very strongest end of influence....
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i believed it was an attempt by mr. brown to sort of impress on me his closeness to mr. murdoch. quite frankly, i did not believe it. >> but it was certainly an attempt by mr. brown to impress on you his proximity to mr. murdoch. that is clear. that is the strong message he was transmitting to you. but his predictions were right, were they not? >> i did become the editor of "the sun." >> if certain events had occurred, it might have. but rebecca-- rebekah was promoted. >> at some time, yes. >> you refer to mr. osborn. you said you met with him in 2005. did you get on well with him? >> i got along fine. we did not spend a lot of time together, but i remember having a cup of coffee with him at that conference. >> you deal intergroup 38 specifically with a story which was published in -- you deal in paragraph 38 specifically with a story that was published in "news of the world" in 2005. can we understand the context? did "the sunday mirror" published the same story? >> i am not sure when i was aware there would publish the same story. >> on the same sunday? >> yes. >> and you could
i believed it was an attempt by mr. brown to sort of impress on me his closeness to mr. murdoch. quite frankly, i did not believe it. >> but it was certainly an attempt by mr. brown to impress on you his proximity to mr. murdoch. that is clear. that is the strong message he was transmitting to you. but his predictions were right, were they not? >> i did become the editor of "the sun." >> if certain events had occurred, it might have. but rebecca-- rebekah was...
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murdoch, and i didn't believe it. >> it was impressed on you by mr. murdoch, and that was clear, the strong message transmitted to you, but the two predictions were right, with respect they? >> as far as predictions go, it was hopeless. >> certain events had not intruded -- she was promoted. >> sometime later, yes. >> you refer to mr. osborn, met with him in 2005 -- >> yes. >> did you get along well with him? >> along fine. we didn't spend a lot of time together, but i remember having a cup of coffee with him at that conference. >> there's a story that was in news of the world in october of 2005. >> yes. >> can we understand the context, was the sunday mirror also going to publish the same story? >> yes, i'm not sure which point i was aware they were going to publish the story. >> they did publish the same story though, yes? on the same sunday? >> yes. >> and you could anticipate that the sunday mirror's position was hostile to mr. osborn, couldn't you? >> i'm not sure that they published it, so i have not given it thought. i think it's a given that t
murdoch, and i didn't believe it. >> it was impressed on you by mr. murdoch, and that was clear, the strong message transmitted to you, but the two predictions were right, with respect they? >> as far as predictions go, it was hopeless. >> certain events had not intruded -- she was promoted. >> sometime later, yes. >> you refer to mr. osborn, met with him in 2005 -- >> yes. >> did you get along well with him? >> along fine. we didn't spend a lot...